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Responses to ‘The 8 Great Debates of Bible Prophecy’

Herewith are my responses to a series of debates put forward by Dispensationalist Ron Rhodes in his book, ‘The 8 Great Debates of Bible Prophecy.’ I trust that my posts will help toward establishing God’s truth and dismantling the wayward doctrine of Dispensationalism.


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Debate 1

Should Prophecy Be Interpreted Literally or Allegorically?

Bible Prophecy: Literal or Allegorical

Toppling Dispensationalism


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Debate 2

Are Israel and the Church Distinct in Bible Prophecy?

Israel is Saved or Judged, not Replaced or Distinct


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Debate 3

What Can We Know About the Signs of the Times?

Do Current Signs Point to Prophetic Fulfillment?

Israel

Middle East, European Union, Globalism?

Is America in Bible Prophecy?

Israel regathered from Many Nations

Russians and Muslims to Invade Israel on Horseback?


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Debate 4

Which View of the Rapture Is Correct?

When Will The Rapture Occur?


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Debate 5

How Are We to Understand the Book of Revelation?

Taking Issue with Futurism

Daniel’s Seventieth Week and the Book of Revelation

Babylon, the 144000 and The Two Witnesses


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Debate 6

How Are We to Understand the Antichrist?

The Antichrist – Conundrum and Distraction

Who is the Antichrist?

Who Restrains Him? What Nation is He from? What is the Mark of the Beast?

Timing of the Antichrist


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Debate 7

Which View of the Millennium Is Correct?

The Millennium


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Debate 8

Is It Okay to Set Dates on Prophetic Events?

Prophetic Events and Their Timing


Other posts referenced:

Numerology in Revelation

Jewish Salvation

Restoring the Kingdom to Israel – The Christian Researcher

Rob Morley

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A Response to Ron Rhodes’ The 8 Great Debates of Bible Prophecy

Debate 3: Ron Rhodes asks, “What Can We Know About the Signs of the Times?

(My response is also to Rhodes’ teachings in his book, “The Popular Dictionary of Bible Prophecy”.)

 

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In this post I answer, with PART 2, the 3rd of the following questions put forward by Rhodes:

    1. Do Current Signs Point to Prophetic Fulfillment?
    2. Is America in Bible Prophecy?
    3. Can We Know When the Ezekiel Invasion Will Occur?

 

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Can We Know When the Ezekiel Invasion Will Occur?

Obviously, Rhodes’ question implies that he believes that this prophecy is still to be fulfilled. The particular passages regarding the re-gathering of Jews and the invasion of Israel that Rhodes refers to are found in Ezekiel 36-38. He argues that the contemporary re-gathering of Jews from many nations back to Israel “appears” to be setting the stage for the inevitable prophesied invasion. Though, he covers his back saying “Of course, it is always possible for things to reverse course, in which case the invasion could still be a long way off.”

In terms of the invasion forces, Rhodes says that Ezekiel refers to Russia heading up a coalition from the north of Muslim states including Iran, Sudan, Libya and Turkey. Firstly, though arguably possible, it seems highly unlikely that Libya to Israel’s west and Sudan to their South would form part of a “northern assault force.”

Secondly, consider how the account of the armies in Ezekiel 38:4-5 doesn’t describe a modern army: ‘And I will turn you about and put hooks into your jaws, and I will bring you out, and all your army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed in full armor, a great host, all of them with buckler and shield, wielding swords. Persia, Cush, and Put are with them, all of them with shield and helmet…’ Can you imagine an army in the future army with ‘…horses… horsemen…in full armor… with buckler and shield, wielding swords…shield and helmet’?

Russians and Muslims to Invade Israel on Horseback?

Using Rhodes’ literal method of interpretation, we end up with Russians and Muslims in an army fighting on horseback against Israel sometime in the future, which is most improbable. However, rather than acknowledge that the description of the armies is obviously historical and not futuristic, Rhodes instead goes against his anti-allegory dispensational stance by using an allegorical interpretation of these armies. This is most unusual coming from someone who is adamant that prophecies are to be literally understood. Yet, in order to make his end-time view work, Rhodes is forced to dismantle his dispensational view by either having a ridiculous notion that these armies are a literal description of the future or by acknowledging the armies as allegorical, thereby undermining the literal interpretation method that he demands.

Which is it, dispensationalism with an improbable future of armies on horseback, or an admission to the use of non-literal interpretation? (See my response to Ron Rhodes’ question, “Should Bible Prophecy Be Interpreted Literally or Allegorically?” in Bible Prophecy: Literal or Allegorical).

Rob Morley

Responses To Ron Rhodes’ ‘The 8 Great Debates of Bible Prophecy’:

  1. Bible Prophecy: Literal or Allegorical
  2. Toppling Dispensationalism
  3. Israel is Saved or Judged, not Replaced or Distinct
  4. The Signs of the Times – Do Current Signs Point to Prophetic Fulfillment? – PART 1
  5. The Signs of the Times – Do Current Signs Point to Prophetic Fulfillment? PART 2 – Israel
  6. The Signs of the Times – Do Current Signs Point to Prophetic Fulfillment? PART 3 – Middle East, European Union, Globalism?
  7. The Signs of the Times – Is America in Bible Prophecy?
  8. The Signs of the Times – Can We Know When the Ezekiel Invasion Will Occur? PART 1 – Israel regathered from Many Nations
  9. The Signs of the Times – Can We Know When the Ezekiel Invasion Will Occur? PART 2 – Russians and Muslims to Invade Israel on Horseback?
  10. When Will The Rapture Occur?
  11. Taking Issue with Futurism – Interpreting Revelation Part 1
  12. Daniel’s Seventieth Week and the Book of Revelation – Interpreting Revelation Part 2
  13. Babylon, the 144000 and The Two Witnesses – Interpreting Revelation – Part 3
  14. Who is the Antichrist? – Part 1
  15. Who is the Antichrist? – Part 2
  16. Who is the Antichrist? – Part 3
  17. Who is the Antichrist? – Part 4
  18. The Millennium
  19. Prophetic Events and Their Timing
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Toppling Literalists

Responding to Ron Rhodes’ The 8 Great Debates of Bible Prophecy

Debate 1: Ron Rhodes asks, “Should Bible Prophecy Be Interpreted Literally or Allegorically?”

  • Part 1. The Hermeneutics of Bible Prophecy: Literal or Allegorical?

Knocking Down False Views

This is the first in a series of responses to the debates put forward by Ron Rhodes in his book, The 8 Great Debates of Bible Prophecy. His book is really just a platform for promoting his end-time views which I plan to debunk as I to respond to each debate with the truth of Scripture. My posts will not be exhaustive responses to the questions raised in the book, yet they will be enough to hopefully keep many from the false end-time beliefs associated with Rhodes’ views and lead them to the joy that comes from understanding God’s word.

Straw man Leverage

As I see it, the question “Should Bible Prophecy Be Interpreted Literally or Allegorically?” creates false leverage in order to discredit allegorical interpretations of certain Bible prophecies that don’t fit with Ron Rhodes’ preferred literal interpretations. It creates both the false assumption that all Bible prophecy must be viewed through only one lens of interpretation as well as the straw man that those who view certain prophecies allegorically do so for all prophecies, which is of course not true.

A better question would have been, “Should Bible prophesy always be interpreted literally?” This would have avoided the implied premise that one interpretation method is always correct and the unfair straw man created by such a dichotomy.

Ron Rhodes further entrenches this straw man argument by citing prophecies where the literal interpretation has clearly been fulfilled, using these as proofs that this approach is the only option for prophecy. However, this is as flawed as saying that the night sky is full of bright stars; therefore, everything bright in the night sky is a star.

Literal unless Indicated

I agree with Ron Rhodes that the literal interpretative method has proven to be the best starting point when approaching Scripture. Regarding this he says, “A literal approach allows for allegorical or symbolic meanings when indicated in the context, as is often the case in such apocalyptic literature as the books of Daniel and Revelation.” However, where we disagree is the extent to which “allegorical or symbolic” has been “indicated in the context”, including in certain prophecies.

Firstly, when Rhodes cites Revelation as an example of apocalyptic literature containing allegorical meanings, he disproves his own notion that a literal interpretation is required when interpreting prophecy, because Revelation is prophecy. Clearly, the issue is not whether prophecy can be interpreted allegorically or not, but identifying when prophecy is intended to be understood allegorically.

Consistency of Interpretation

Secondly, when interpreting Revelation, Rhodes is far more selective in his use of allegorical interpretation than I believe the text demands. For example, to be consistent when interpreting Revelation, a book loaded with symbolism, why would the ‘7 spirits of God’ in chapter 1:4 allegorically represent the Holy Spirit while the ‘1000 year reign’ in chapter 20 be literal? On what basis would the number ‘7’ associated with the term ‘spirits of God’ be allegorical and yet the number ‘1000’ associated with the term ‘years’ be literal? And, what of the 24 elders, the 12000 stadia, the 144000 people, etc.?

Explaining the 1000 year Reign of Christ

In the Bible, numerology is commonly used to depict meaning. Certain numbers had certain connotations. For example 12 could allude to the tribes of Israel, or to the apostles, 3 to the Trinity, 7 to qualitative fullness associated with God and creation and 10 was understood as quantitative fullness. Therefore, with 10 meaning quantitative fullness and 3 the number of God, in a book full of symbolism, 1000, which is 10 x 10 x 10 or 103, symbolically represents the fullness of time that God has determined rather than a literal 1000 years.

If, in apocalyptic literature, the author has clearly used numerology, especially in his first use of a number as John did with ‘the 7 spirits of God’, then surely that is an indication that numerology should be considered when other numbers present themselves. This is also all the more likely if the numbers are consistently seen to be distinctively biblical numbers, like 3, 6, 7, 10 or 12.

Furthermore, if we find biblical meaning to the context by using the numerological meaning of the numbers, and especially if it lines up with established biblical truth, then it is unlikely that we have stumbled upon chance. And, this is consistently true of all the numbers found in Revelation. Moreover, the sheer quantity of numbers used in the book of Revelation makes the chance that an allegorical interpretation is incorrect, ludicrous. Clearly, the book of Revelation, which is a prophecy, demands that its numbers be allegorically understood.

Some Dare not See

Sadly, instead of using Revelation’s own cues, Rhodes misses the use of numerology throughout the book and, as a result, the real meaning behind the numbers. I suggest that Rhodes’ bias, tied to his end-time belief in a literal 1000 year reign of Christ, makes him also unable or unwilling to see all the allegory indicated throughout the book of Revelation.

I believe that Rhodes and other premillennialists are forced to turn a blind eye to the allegory in order to maintain a belief system that is interlinked with their other fallacies. However, by doing this they have clearly moved away from Scripture, preferring a popular, but flawed interpretation. Rhodes created this first debate in order to champion his view, unaware that his own concession to the “allegorical or symbolic when indicated in the context” is his view’s undoing.

Click here for Numerology in The Revelation.

Rob Morley

Responses To Ron Rhodes’ ‘The 8 Great Debates of Bible Prophecy’:

  1. Bible Prophecy: Literal or Allegorical
  2. Toppling Dispensationalism
  3. Israel is Saved or Judged, not Replaced or Distinct
  4. The Signs of the Times – Do Current Signs Point to Prophetic Fulfillment? – PART 1
  5. The Signs of the Times – Do Current Signs Point to Prophetic Fulfillment? PART 2 – Israel
  6. The Signs of the Times – Do Current Signs Point to Prophetic Fulfillment? PART 3 – Middle East, European Union, Globalism?
  7. The Signs of the Times – Is America in Bible Prophecy?
  8. The Signs of the Times – Can We Know When the Ezekiel Invasion Will Occur? PART 1 – Israel regathered from Many Nations
  9. The Signs of the Times – Can We Know When the Ezekiel Invasion Will Occur? PART 2 – Russians and Muslims to Invade Israel on Horseback?
  10. When Will The Rapture Occur?
  11. Taking Issue with Futurism – Interpreting Revelation Part 1
  12. Daniel’s Seventieth Week and the Book of Revelation – Interpreting Revelation Part 2
  13. Babylon, the 144000 and The Two Witnesses – Interpreting Revelation – Part 3
  14. Who is the Antichrist? – Part 1
  15. Who is the Antichrist? – Part 2
  16. Who is the Antichrist? – Part 3
  17. Who is the Antichrist? – Part 4
  18. The Millennium
  19. Prophetic Events and Their Timing
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