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Responses to ‘The 8 Great Debates of Bible Prophecy’

Herewith are my responses to a series of debates put forward by Dispensationalist Ron Rhodes in his book, ‘The 8 Great Debates of Bible Prophecy.’ I trust that my posts will help toward establishing God’s truth and dismantling the wayward doctrine of Dispensationalism.


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Debate 1

Should Prophecy Be Interpreted Literally or Allegorically?

Bible Prophecy: Literal or Allegorical

Toppling Dispensationalism


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Debate 2

Are Israel and the Church Distinct in Bible Prophecy?

Israel is Saved or Judged, not Replaced or Distinct


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Debate 3

What Can We Know About the Signs of the Times?

Do Current Signs Point to Prophetic Fulfillment?

Israel

Middle East, European Union, Globalism?

Is America in Bible Prophecy?

Israel regathered from Many Nations

Russians and Muslims to Invade Israel on Horseback?


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Debate 4

Which View of the Rapture Is Correct?

When Will The Rapture Occur?


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Debate 5

How Are We to Understand the Book of Revelation?

Taking Issue with Futurism

Daniel’s Seventieth Week and the Book of Revelation

Babylon, the 144000 and The Two Witnesses


Dominoes Falling (6)

Debate 6

How Are We to Understand the Antichrist?

The Antichrist – Conundrum and Distraction

Who is the Antichrist?

Who Restrains Him? What Nation is He from? What is the Mark of the Beast?

Timing of the Antichrist


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Debate 7

Which View of the Millennium Is Correct?

The Millennium


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Debate 8

Is It Okay to Set Dates on Prophetic Events?

Prophetic Events and Their Timing


Other posts referenced:

Numerology in Revelation

Jewish Salvation

Restoring the Kingdom to Israel – The Christian Researcher

Rob Morley

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Dominoes Falling (6)

Debate 6 – Part 3

Responding to Ron Rhodes’ The 8 Great Debates of Bible Prophecy

Debate 6: Ron Rhodes asks, ‘How Are We to Understand the Antichrist?’

In this debate Ron Rhodes asks a series of 5 questions which I answer here.

 Who Restrains the Antichrist?

In 2 Thessalonians 2:6-7 Paul writes, ‘And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. Only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way.’ This cryptic message was no doubt meant to guard against openly speaking about the current emperor who stood between Domitian becoming the emperor and fulfilling the prophecy of Daniel.

The ‘mystery of lawlessness… already at work’ was the environment created by the Caesars that would allow for the expected Antichrist to have full expression. Consider how Nero had already behaved brutally toward the Church and Vespasian who had miracles accredited to himself. Then his son, Titus, ruled brutally as the Caesars often did. He was the Emperor who, by way of being in power, was restraining the Antichrist from manifesting himself.

Titus’ untimely death gave way to Domitian, his brother. As I mentioned in my previous post, Domitian went so far as to be addressed as “dominus et deus noster”, which translates, “Our Lord and God”. The saints, of course, refused, which resulted in violent persecution.

Is the Antichrist a Muslim? Is the Antichrist a Jew or a Gentile?

The initial Antichrist manifestation was expected in the 1st century. As such, that Antichrist could not have been a Muslim, as Islam had not yet come into existence. Neither was he a Jew. Instead, he was the gentile Roman Emperor Domitian. This is verified by Daniel’s prophecy which aligns an leader, known as ‘the little horn’ and ‘the 11th horn’, with the period of Roman rule. It was also verified historically by the Church who lived through his persecutions.

Having said that, any belief system that is contrary to Christ is of the spirit of the Antichrist. Therefore, they have always had the potential to produce an Antichrist figure just as Rome and, later, the papal system did.

Will the Antichrist Be Killed and Resurrected?

(This question is answered along with the next question.)

What Is the Mark of the Beast?

‘Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. This calls for wisdom: let anyone with understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a person. Its number is six hundred sixty-six’ (Rev 13:17-18).

When reading Revelation, you always have to remember that you are involved with interpreting symbolism. The mark of the Beast therefore should not be considered as something literal. Bizarrely, many forget the symbolic nature of the book and come up with all sorts of fanciful literal notions.

Symbolically speaking, being marked on the right hand or forehead symbolized what one did and how one thought. This imagery alludes to the tying of phylacteries (boxes of scripture) on the arm and head in the Old Testament. These were to be ‘a sign on your hand and … a symbol on your forehead’ (Deut. 6:8) to help remember God’s word. Paul teaches that the world is under the Prince of the power of the air. One way that Satan controls humanity is through the Beast, who enforces his thoughts and practices onto society.

For all the attention that the Mark of the Beast gets, it’s worth noting that just as there is a mark on those who follow the Beast, Revelation also says, “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.” This is a picture of a seal that is put on the foreheads of God’s servants, which echoes the scripture that says that ‘we have the mind of Christ’.

Calculating the Mark of the Beast 666

6 = man

3 = God

666 = Man setting himself up as God

666 = ‘number of the beast…is the number of a person’ (variant 616)

666 = Neron Kaesar (Greek)

616 = Nero Kaesar (Latin)

Six hundred sixty-six depicted ‘the number of a person’. Using numerology, John indicated a person by way of the number 666. Remember that John wrote as a prisoner so this was no doubt cryptically depicted so as to avoid appearing anti-Roman. However, he said that those in the churches who had wisdom would be able to determine who it referred to. This, without doubt, was Emperor Nero. This is later confirmed by the variant 616 in the Latin translation, which calculates as the same person.

However, Nero had been dead a while, so the number would have symbolized a type of ‘resurrection’ or ‘reincarnation’ of Nero. John appears to have toyed with what had been a popular belief that Nero had not died. So, in Nero the Beast had died and in Domitian he was resurrected. Though both are manifestations of the Beast, and both are Antichrists, technically Domitian was the first to be termed ‘the Antichrist’.

The person it pointed to was clearly Domitian, who was extremely brutal toward the Church just as Nero had been. However, the Beast is understood to also manifest throughout the Church’s lifetime as one of her enemies. This has been particularly evident wherever tyrannical Antichrist governments have been established by certain world leaders and popes. And, this will continue until Christ’s return.

This is clearly in contrast to Ron Rhodes’ Dispensationalist view that understands the Antichrist to be someone who exists only after the Church has been raptured and who therefore has nothing to do with the Church.

Rob Morley

Responses To Ron Rhodes’ ‘The 8 Great Debates of Bible Prophecy’:

  1. Bible Prophecy: Literal or Allegorical
  2. Toppling Dispensationalism
  3. Israel is Saved or Judged, not Replaced or Distinct
  4. The Signs of the Times – Do Current Signs Point to Prophetic Fulfillment? – PART 1
  5. The Signs of the Times – Do Current Signs Point to Prophetic Fulfillment? PART 2 – Israel
  6. The Signs of the Times – Do Current Signs Point to Prophetic Fulfillment? PART 3 – Middle East, European Union, Globalism?
  7. The Signs of the Times – Is America in Bible Prophecy?
  8. The Signs of the Times – Can We Know When the Ezekiel Invasion Will Occur? PART 1 – Israel regathered from Many Nations
  9. The Signs of the Times – Can We Know When the Ezekiel Invasion Will Occur? PART 2 – Russians and Muslims to Invade Israel on Horseback?
  10. When Will The Rapture Occur?
  11. Taking Issue with Futurism – Interpreting Revelation Part 1
  12. Daniel’s Seventieth Week and the Book of Revelation – Interpreting Revelation Part 2
  13. Babylon, the 144000 and The Two Witnesses – Interpreting Revelation – Part 3
  14. Who is the Antichrist? – Part 1
  15. Who is the Antichrist? – Part 2
  16. Who is the Antichrist? – Part 3
  17. Who is the Antichrist? – Part 4
  18. The Millennium
  19. Prophetic Events and Their Timing
Dominoes Falling (6)

Debate 6 – Part 2

Responding to Ron Rhodes’ The 8 Great Debates of Bible Prophecy

Debate 6: Ron Rhodes asks, ‘How Are We to Understand the Antichrist?’

Introduction

In this post I give an outline of the various uses of the term ‘Antichrist’. In the process I also give a broad interpretation of the human leader called the Antichrist who I see as a recurrent enemy of the Church. This is in contrast to Ron Rhodes and other Dispensationalists who consider this Antichrist to be someone who exists only after the Church has been raptured and who therefore has nothing to do with the Church.

The Antichrist – An Evil Spirit

The Antichrist is firstly a pervading and an enduring spirit with the ability to affect individuals and multitudes of every generation. For example, John correlates those who do not confess Jesus with the spirit of the Antichrist. Similarly, the human Antichrist does not innately have the spirit of the Antichrist, but is possessed by it.

Though a physical manifestation of the Antichrist is an ominous thought, facing the spirit of the Antichrist is no less daunting. In fact, the myriad of ways in which the spirit of the Antichrist operates can be harder to identify and handle than when he manifests in individuals who are plainly seen and understood for who they are. For, how can we know in who this spirit is sowing his ideas and sentiments that lead to unbelief and all forms of anti-God behavior in society?

If we are not careful, we can be so busy identifying who the Antichrist is that we don’t recognize that the spirit of the Antichrist at work, undermining Christ and those who are His and the positive difference that they have made in society.

The Antichrist – Many Persons

When John wrote the Gospel of John, as well as 1 and 2 John, he specifically aimed his message at early Gnostic belief, calling the individual proponents of Gnosticism ‘the Deceiver and the Antichrist’. And, it was not only the individual teachers who were designated as the Antichrist, because he also said that ‘whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ ….is the Antichrist’.

Though this broad definition was particularly aimed at early Gnosticism, it is by no means restricted to that errant teaching. In fact, at the time that John wrote, the Jews were already well established at denying Jesus as their Christ. So, while the Gnostics believed that the flesh was evil and, therefore, that Jesus couldn’t be the Christ, it was on the grounds that Jesus claimed to be God that the Jews rejected Him as their Christ (Messiah).

This broad definition not only allows for multiple persons to be the Antichrist, it also allows for a range of ways in which to deny Jesus as the Christ. As such, Judaism and Gnosticism are just two ways that Jesus Christ is denied. Ultimately, all other religions and their followers are Antichrist because they also deny that Jesus is the Christ.

The Antichrist – A Roman Emperor

According to John, the evidence of many Antichrists was evidence that it was ‘the last hour’ and, as such, the manifestation of a certain expected Antichrist leader was imminent. Consider 1 John 2:18 that says ‘as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming’ and 2 Thessalonians 2:3 ‘…that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition’. Both of these Scriptures speak of an individual who was expected.

Now, several hundred years before, the prophet Daniel had clearly predicted the sequence of events in Jewish history under specifically identified empires. This meant that anyone who lived during any period of the prophecy could identify the period that they were in. Consequently, from the prophetic timeline, it would have been clear to John that the Roman Empire that they were under was the age of ‘the terrifying beast’.

Furthermore, Daniel predicted that in this period there would arise a leader who was particularly anti-God. Daniel referred to him as the ‘little horn’ on the ‘terrifying beast’ and also as the ‘11th horn’. John called him the Antichrist, because, since God’s incarnation in Jesus Christ, whatever was anti-God was now essentially Antichrist. You can only imagine the potential threat to God’s people, the Christians, if an emperor became host to the spirit of the Antichrist.

Though the references to the Antichrist in 1 and 2 John were a rebuttal of early Gnosticism, this person, called the Antichrist by John, displayed another form of Antichrist behavior. In 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 he is spoken of as ‘that man of sin … the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped, so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.’

Domitian is the most likely candidate as he wanted to be addressed as “dominus et deus noster”, which translates, “Our Lord and God”. He was not unlike the prince of Tyrus who previously had elevated himself to be as God. Consider Ezekiel 28:2: “…your heart is lifted up, and you have said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet you are a man, and not God, though you set your heart as the heart of God…” Furthermore, Domitian severely persecuted the Church who comprise those made holy by God. They are undoubtedly God’s Holy One’s that ‘the little horn’ (the Antichrist) in Daniel persecutes.

It stands to reason that the Antichrist would have been manifest early on as a satanic incarnation in the life of the Church in opposition to Christ and His Church. Also, the ‘man of sin’ is said to appear before Christ’s return. Therefore, in order for Christ’s return to carry with it the sense of expectation and surprise that the Scriptures associate with it, an early manifestation of the Antichrist would have been necessary.

The Antichrist – An End-Time Incarnation

While 2 Thessalonians 2 speaks of an expected individual called ‘the man of sin’ and the book of Revelation speaks of ‘the Beast’, careful cross-referencing and comparing shows that these characters are the same person as the Antichrist. Now, according to the Scriptures, ‘the man of sin’ and ‘the Beast’ get destroyed at Christ’s return. Therefore, this Antichrist leader is somehow not only a 1st century individual, but an end-time individual too.

We will never know who the last Antichrist is. All we know is that at Christ’s return he will be destroyed. In this way Christ’s return date remains a mystery. That’s another reason why we know the Antichrist cannot be only an end-time personality, otherwise, so long as the Antichrist hasn’t appeared we would know that Christ isn’t coming.

The Antichrist – Repeated Incarnations

Though the Beast of Revelation was a 1st century occurrence, he is also understood to repeatedly manifest throughout history as an enemy of the Church and only be destroyed at Christ’s coming. Similarly, ‘the man of lawlessness’ in 2 Thessalonians is destroyed at Christ’s coming too. Consequently, John’s reference to an Antichrist individual in 1 John 2:18 appears to be only the first of several manifestations that would occur until Christ’s return.

After the initial Antichrist, most likely Emperor Domitian, others carried the mantle in subsequent generations. These were likely leaders like Emperor Diocletian, certain of the popes (arguably the papal system itself), and several other religious and world leaders.

Now, the attributes and activities associated with the incarnate Antichrist are not fulfilled in their entirety in any one of these individuals, including the end-time Antichrist. For example, none can be both alive in the 1st century and at the end when Jesus returns. Also, not all necessarily have lying signs and wonders associated with them, though the papal system does and the end-time Antichrist might. And, interestingly, Vespasian, Domitian’s father, had miracles attributed to himself. This may have been Domitian’s inspiration to take things a step further and consider himself divine.

It appears that while we are so busy identifying who the Antichrist might have been, or who he might be, or who he might one day be, we miss the enigma that he has and will manifest recurrently.

In Conclusion

Because it was ‘the last hour’ when John wrote, we know from our perspective that the individual Antichrist, of whom he wrote they were expecting, must have come. This was most likely the Roman emperor Domitian. Additionally, it appears that the spirit of the Antichrist has subsequently manifest himself at different times in other prominent individuals and will no doubt do so until the end when Christ returns and that Antichrist incarnation is destroyed.

Nevertheless, recognizing how and where the spirit of the Antichrist is at work is undoubtedly far more significant than identifying a person called the Antichrist, because the spirit of the Antichrist is always at work, impacting countless to deny Christ and the salvation that He offers. That, surely, is of far more dire consequence than anything else.

Rob Morley

Responses To Ron Rhodes’ ‘The 8 Great Debates of Bible Prophecy’:

  1. Bible Prophecy: Literal or Allegorical
  2. Toppling Dispensationalism
  3. Israel is Saved or Judged, not Replaced or Distinct
  4. The Signs of the Times – Do Current Signs Point to Prophetic Fulfillment? – PART 1
  5. The Signs of the Times – Do Current Signs Point to Prophetic Fulfillment? PART 2 – Israel
  6. The Signs of the Times – Do Current Signs Point to Prophetic Fulfillment? PART 3 – Middle East, European Union, Globalism?
  7. The Signs of the Times – Is America in Bible Prophecy?
  8. The Signs of the Times – Can We Know When the Ezekiel Invasion Will Occur? PART 1 – Israel regathered from Many Nations
  9. The Signs of the Times – Can We Know When the Ezekiel Invasion Will Occur? PART 2 – Russians and Muslims to Invade Israel on Horseback?
  10. When Will The Rapture Occur?
  11. Taking Issue with Futurism – Interpreting Revelation Part 1
  12. Daniel’s Seventieth Week and the Book of Revelation – Interpreting Revelation Part 2
  13. Babylon, the 144000 and The Two Witnesses – Interpreting Revelation – Part 3
  14. Who is the Antichrist? – Part 1
  15. Who is the Antichrist? – Part 2
  16. Who is the Antichrist? – Part 3
  17. Who is the Antichrist? – Part 4
  18. The Millennium
  19. Prophetic Events and Their Timing
Dominoes Falling (6)

Debate 6

Responding to Ron Rhodes’ The 8 Great Debates of Bible Prophecy

Debate 6: Ron Rhodes asks, ‘How Are We to Understand the Antichrist?’

The Antichrist Conundrum

Throughout church history many have postulated who the Antichrist is. Some believe that he is yet to come. Among them are those like Ron Rhodes who believe that the Church will have nothing to do with the Antichrist because, according to him, the church will have been raptured before anyone is identified as the Antichrist. Others have proposed 1st century Roman emperors, certain world or religious leaders, various popes and even the papal system itself.

Is this ongoing conundrum ever solvable? I believe it is. I propose that the interpretation of the sum of all the events and attributes that are ascribed to the Antichrist in the Bible leads to an understanding that he belongs to more than one generation and, therefore, that he has to be more than one individual. Having said that, I do not believe he will exist after the Church has been raptured as Rhodes has suggested, because after the Church is raptured the earth and all that is in it will be destroyed with fire.

Scriptures clearly point to an initial 1st century Antichrist, while others indicate repeated manifestations of this figure throughout Church history, and still others speak of a final Antichrist who is destroyed at Christ’s return. In a nutshell, Daniel prophesied about the Antichrist as a specific 1st century Roman emperor, which is corroborated by John who wrote in 1 John that they were expecting the Antichrist’s imminent appearance. However, the book of Revelation also clearly shows the Antichrist as an ongoing enemy of the Church throughout its history. And, finally, both 2nd Thessalonians and Revelation speak of the Antichrist’s demise when Christ returns.

Clearly, in order for the Antichrist to be a 1st century manifestation, as well as an ongoing one and an end-time character, he has to be represented by more than one person. As I see it, our inability to agree on who the Antichrist was, is, or will be, is proof that not one person fully represents the person of the Antichrist.

The Antichrist Distraction

I believe that the Bible gives us sufficient revelation concerning the Antichrist so that we are aware of him and his ways. Having said that, we are not to be enamored by him in any way. Sadly, however, it appears that some in the Church get just as attracted by the topic of the Antichrist as they do with Christ Himself. Strangely, this is often especially true of many who think that the Church will be raptured before the Antichrist is manifest.

Similarly, knowledge of the spirit of the Antichrist should be of far more concern than speculating about the Antichrist. While the Church is distracted by trying to pinpoint a person or project some future figure, the spirit of the Antichrist is at work in all of society, manifesting as unbelief in multitudes, driving false religion, and operating through multiple religious and governmental leaders.

In my next post I will expand on the various forms in which the Antichrist is revealed to us in Scripture. My goal is to leave the reader with a sober view of a real enemy who operates in our midst rather than attempt to imbibe you with a narrow nauseating view so often spoken about in books and popular television and that is unrelated to real life.

Before you may be tempted to come at me with your proofs of your version of the Antichrist or shoot down what I have said thus far, I would like you to hear me out as I explain my perspective through this series of posts.

Rob Morley

Responses To Ron Rhodes’ ‘The 8 Great Debates of Bible Prophecy’:

  1. Bible Prophecy: Literal or Allegorical
  2. Toppling Dispensationalism
  3. Israel is Saved or Judged, not Replaced or Distinct
  4. The Signs of the Times – Do Current Signs Point to Prophetic Fulfillment? – PART 1
  5. The Signs of the Times – Do Current Signs Point to Prophetic Fulfillment? PART 2 – Israel
  6. The Signs of the Times – Do Current Signs Point to Prophetic Fulfillment? PART 3 – Middle East, European Union, Globalism?
  7. The Signs of the Times – Is America in Bible Prophecy?
  8. The Signs of the Times – Can We Know When the Ezekiel Invasion Will Occur? PART 1 – Israel regathered from Many Nations
  9. The Signs of the Times – Can We Know When the Ezekiel Invasion Will Occur? PART 2 – Russians and Muslims to Invade Israel on Horseback?
  10. When Will The Rapture Occur?
  11. Taking Issue with Futurism – Interpreting Revelation Part 1
  12. Daniel’s Seventieth Week and the Book of Revelation – Interpreting Revelation Part 2
  13. Babylon, the 144000 and The Two Witnesses – Interpreting Revelation – Part 3
  14. Who is the Antichrist? – Part 1
  15. Who is the Antichrist? – Part 2
  16. Who is the Antichrist? – Part 3
  17. Who is the Antichrist? – Part 4
  18. The Millennium
  19. Prophetic Events and Their Timing
Dominoes Falling (3)

Debate 3 Falls

I’m Responding to Ron Rhodes’ The 8 Great Debates of Bible Prophecy

Debate 3: Ron Rhodes asks, “What Can We Know About the Signs of the Times?

(My response is also to Rhodes’ teachings that are found in his other “end-time” dispensationalist literature.)

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 In this post I continue to answer, with PART 3, the 1st of the following 3 questions put forward by Rhodes:

  1. Do Current Signs Point to Prophetic Fulfillment?
  2. Is America in Bible Prophecy?
  3. Can We Know When the Ezekiel Invasion Will Occur?

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The Craving for Peace in the Middle East

This is another issue speculated on by Rhodes. He links this with the idea of ‘a revived Roman Empire’ from which supposedly the anti-Christ will come with peace solutions for the Middle East.

A Revived Roman Empire

This is another contrived notion from the misinterpretation of texts in the books of Daniel and Revelation. For example, regarding visions in Daniel 2 and 7, Rhodes says that ‘many modern biblical interpreters see the European Union as a primary prospect for the ultimate fulfillment of this prophecy.’

Rhodes comments on Daniel 7:24-25 saying that ‘Rome never consisted of a-ten nation confederacy with ten co-rulers.’ But, is that even what the imagery is representing?

The text reads,

‘Thus he said: “As for the fourth beast,

there shall be a fourth kingdom on earth,
which shall be different from all the kingdoms,
and it shall devour the whole earth,
and trample it down, and break it to pieces.
As for the ten horns,
out of this kingdom ten kings shall arise,
and another shall arise after them;
he shall be different from the former ones,
and shall put down three kings.”’

What is this passage really about? Has it already been fulfilled?

Firstly, the context of this passage is of four beasts that represent four empires that follow on the heels of one another, each having an impact on the people of God. It is a parallel vision with the one in chapter two of a statue representing these same kingdoms. The kingdoms are generally understood to be Babylon followed by the Medo-Persians, Greece and finally Rome.

Furthermore, these kingdoms are each pictured as a single unit and therefore each have a single period of time. Therefore we ought to expect the fulfillments of the visions in the same way as they are structured. The four kingdoms follow consecutively. Also, when it comes to the detailed description of the fourth beast, we expect the horns to be immediately related to that beasts’ period of time.

Any idea of a great separation of time between the kingdoms or within a kingdom would be disingenuous to the imagery. Yet, this is precisely what dispensationalists would have us do with the text. They suggest that part of the imagery points to an end-time future. However, in order for that to be possible, the image of the statue would have been pictured with severed toes and the image of the fourth beast would have had the horns somehow disconnected from it, floating at a distance, but they aren’t.

The ‘ten horns’ and the ‘little one’ or ‘another horn’, represent a series of 10 emperors and a significant emperor that reigned after the establishment of the Roman Empire. ‘Another horn, a little one’ that ‘came up among’ the others speaks of the period that Domitian was stand-in Emperor. As the child of the Emperor, he fits with the term ‘little’ and, as the stand in Emperor, he fits with the term ‘horn’ (see Daniel 7:8 that parallels 7:24).

Furthermore, there is a ‘king’ that follows the ‘ten kings’. This would be Domitian who he later becomes Emperor in his own right. The ‘little’ ‘horn’ thus later became a ‘horn’. To ‘the saints’ he ‘seemed greater than his companions’ because he, in particular, ‘made war with the saints’, i.e. the people of God (see Daniel 7:21). In his time, ‘the saints’ were the Jewish and Gentile Christians who he severely persecuted.

He is the ‘another’ who is said to ‘put down three kings’. Domitian reigned in his father’s stead while his father was on a campaign, however, immediately before his stand-in reign, three other emperors followed in quick succession. They are referenced in Daniel 7:8, 20 and 24.

Interestingly, a case has been made for Domitian’s father Vespasian or his brother Titus being the horn; nevertheless, I believe Domitian fits best. Regardless of which one it is, these options are a far better than what Rhodes and other dispensational premillennialists speculate. Their idea is that these visions refer to a future outcome through a resurrected Roman Empire in the form of a European Union. This disjoins the vision, which is otherwise a single sequence of events, by almost 2 thousand years. Not only is this interpretively implausible, it’s laughable!

Globalism

Here Rhodes speculates around Rev 13:3-13 and the idea of a single world government under a single leader. However, the prophecy in Revelation is speaking about the Roman Empire that was just such a controlling government. Also, through the use of numerology, Emperor Nero is clearly linked with the number 666. At the time of the prophecy he was dead, however, the ‘beast, whose fatal wound had been healed’ meant that someone like Nero would reappear. Domitian was like Nero. He brutally persecuted the church just as Nero had. (Incidentally, it is clear that the ‘beast, whose fatal wound had been healed’ of Revelation and the ‘little’ ‘horn’ in Daniel are the same person. I personally believe that Domitian fits best.)

I have shown over several posts that the prophecies that dispensationalists place in the end-times have actually been adequately fulfilled in the past. Therefore, the burden of proof lies with them. However, according to Rhodes, this would be impossible for them to do because, according to him no signs precede the Second Coming and so the best that he can give as evidence are shadows of signs. And, shadows, as I have shown, are unauthorized speculations at best.

It comes down to using standard rules of interpretation and clear corresponding historical evidence vs. dispensationalist eisegesis that sees ‘shadows of signs’ in a future speculated using prophecy that has already been fulfilled.

Rob Morley

Responses To Ron Rhodes’ ‘The 8 Great Debates of Bible Prophecy’:

  1. Bible Prophecy: Literal or Allegorical
  2. Toppling Dispensationalism
  3. Israel is Saved or Judged, not Replaced or Distinct
  4. The Signs of the Times – Do Current Signs Point to Prophetic Fulfillment? – PART 1
  5. The Signs of the Times – Do Current Signs Point to Prophetic Fulfillment? PART 2 – Israel
  6. The Signs of the Times – Do Current Signs Point to Prophetic Fulfillment? PART 3 – Middle East, European Union, Globalism?
  7. The Signs of the Times – Is America in Bible Prophecy?
  8. The Signs of the Times – Can We Know When the Ezekiel Invasion Will Occur? PART 1 – Israel regathered from Many Nations
  9. The Signs of the Times – Can We Know When the Ezekiel Invasion Will Occur? PART 2 – Russians and Muslims to Invade Israel on Horseback?
  10. When Will The Rapture Occur?
  11. Taking Issue with Futurism – Interpreting Revelation Part 1
  12. Daniel’s Seventieth Week and the Book of Revelation – Interpreting Revelation Part 2
  13. Babylon, the 144000 and The Two Witnesses – Interpreting Revelation – Part 3
  14. Who is the Antichrist? – Part 1
  15. Who is the Antichrist? – Part 2
  16. Who is the Antichrist? – Part 3
  17. Who is the Antichrist? – Part 4
  18. The Millennium
  19. Prophetic Events and Their Timing
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