Faith, Healing and Miracles, Health

Why Get Vaccinated?

Trusting God?

“For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but . . . a sound mind” (2 Tim. 1:7

Have you heard the analogy of the person asking God to rescue him during a flood? He first receives a warning to evacuate and the neighbors offer to take him in their car. He decides to stay, believing that God will save him. When the water begins to rise, a man comes by in his canoe and calls to him to get in. But the man says, “No thanks, God will save me.” As the water rises higher, a police motorboat comes by and later a helicopter. He also refuses their help and dies by drowning.

When in Heaven, the man stood before God and asked, “I put all of my faith in You. Why didn’t You come and save me?”

And God said, “Son, I sent you a warning. I sent you a car. I sent you a canoe. I sent you a motorboat. I sent you a helicopter. What more were you looking for?”

From: God Will Save Me

I’m not sure how many years ago it was when I heard that story in church. It seemed like a silly story. Why wouldn’t he accept such obvious help?

The man died because of his idea of faith. His faith was in God, not in people and their manmade things. He expected God to miraculously save him by circumventing human involvement, forgetting that God works through people to fulfill His purposes.

Some Christians claim they do not need to social distance or wear masks. We’ve been told that we don’t have faith if we wear masks. They add that “God hasn’t given us a spirit of fear.” This is true, however, the entire verse says, “For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind” (2 Timothy 1:7). We see taking precautions and preventative measures as biblical (see my post: A Faith-Based Approach to the Coronavirus) and the use of that “sound mind.” Faith is obeying God’s word, so we do what is right even if it’s difficult.

Some are skeptical about getting vaccinated. We believe the vaccine is an answer to prayer. Some are concerned because it was manufactured so quickly. However, we believe that has been an answer to prayer too. The statistics also bear witness to its effectiveness. In July it was reported that with 58% of America fully vaccinated, over 99% of those who were dying from Covid-19 were unvaccinated people and that less than 1% of vaccinated people were dying (Business Standard, 2021, July 5)

, 2021, July 5.

God gives humans the ability to make boats and helicopters which can save people from floods. He also gives humans the ability to develop medicines and vaccines to save lives.

“For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind” (2 Timothy 1:7).

Tina & Rob Morley

10 thoughts on “Why Get Vaccinated?”

  1. Hello from the UK

    I have read you post. Sadly you are mistaken in your conclusions.

    In the first place, one must realise that current viral theory is just that; a theory. It is based on the erroneous and ultimately ungodly evolutionary theory that assumes the immune system was not created complete in the beginning.

    Your use of the story at the start of your post is important because it is true that man-made things are meant to help us.

    However, you have forgotten the work of Satan who is a liar and a murderer. He is also a poisoner who poisons people’s minds and bodies. He deceives people into being foolish and assume all man-made things are somehow beneficial.

    You have assumed that anti-social distancing works (I will not call it social because it clearly isn’t). What is your justification for this?

    You have assumed mask masks work. Whilst they keep out dust and smoke etc. they cannot prevent the spread of what is a chemical virus. What is your justification to assume they do work?

    Why do you believe the vaccine is the answer to prayer? Have you not checked the adverse effects? There is a yellow card reporting system in place in the UK which indicates over 10% have had some reaction. Many individual people on line report severe effects and occasionally death.

    Are you aware that in the past there have been many, many cases where vaccines have caused injury and sometimes death? These are well documented.

    It is assumed that somehow this is for ‘the greater good’, yet there is no justification for this. Why do you think vaccines do any good?

    I used to think vaccines were of some use (but not for the ‘flu as I knew of people having the vaccines who suffered ‘flu like effects). I researched last year properly at 60 years of age and I changed my mind.

    I have followed Jesus Christ imperfectly since from my university days and now understand things I did not before. I have put these matters as best I can on my website. These include matters Covid 19 related with a summary which explains what is going on.

    Please note I do use humour to lighten the mood and to help make the points as necessary.

    Here is the vaccine link which will lead to the main summary from which you can view other aspects.
    THE LINK WAS REMOVED BY THE SITE OWNER

    Kind regards

    Baldmichael Theresoluteprotector’sson

    1. Hi Michael,

      Thank you for offering your insights and opinions. I would like to address them one at a time.

      Your point:
      • You initially say, “In the first place, one must realise that current viral theory is just that; a theory. It is based on the erroneous and ultimately ungodly evolutionary theory that assumes the immune system was not created complete in the beginning.”
      My response:
      • Theory, or not, the facts are that people being vaccinated are not the ones dying in large numbers. It’s the unvaccinated who are. When you refer to a “complete” immune system, you fail to take into account that we exist in a fallen world and that our immunity is limited. It was not designed in its fallen capacity to handle everything on its own. History is proof of that.

      Your point:
      • Your use of the story at the start of your post is important because it is true that man-made things are meant to help us.
      My response:
      • I am glad that you are open to human intervention. For if we relied solely on what God has given us in nature apart from our God-given expertise, most of us wouldn’t be here. How did the Native American’s immune system stand up to smallpox? Many of our advances in Science have been God-given ways to help us. What of polio?

      Your point:
      • However, you have forgotten the work of Satan who is a liar and a murderer. He is also a poisoner who poisons people’s minds and bodies. He deceives people into being foolish and assume all man-made things are somehow beneficial.
      My response:
      • Again, the people that are dying are the unvaccinated and so the assumption has been on your side to think that Satan is deceiving people into taking the vaccine.

      Your point:
      • You have assumed that anti-social distancing works (I will not call it social because it clearly isn’t). What is your justification for this?
      My response:
      • Separation is a biblical principle taught to us by God (there is a link to that in our post). Was God being anti-social by giving us these?

      Your point:
      • You have assumed mask [sic] masks work. Whilst they keep out dust and smoke etc. they cannot prevent the spread of what is a chemical virus. What is your justification to assume they do work?
      My response:
      • Whatever the virus is and whatever its origins, the implementation of mask-wearing has proven to lower the infection rates. There is no assumption. Most governments came to the same conclusion, and that was through Science and not Satan.

      Your points:
      • Why do you believe the vaccine is the answer to prayer? Have you not checked the adverse effects? There is a yellow card reporting system in place in the UK which indicates over 10% have had some reaction. Many individual people on line report severe effects and occasionally death.
      • Are you aware that in the past there have been many, many cases where vaccines have caused injury and sometimes death? These are well documented.
      • It is assumed that somehow this is for ‘the greater good’, yet there is no justification for this. Why do you think vaccines do any good?
      My response:
      • Side effects are true of almost all medications. However, the number of lives that have been saved is so much higher and worth the much lower risks involved. The alternative of not vaccinating is far riskier. The statistics prove this.

      Your point:
      • I have followed Jesus Christ imperfectly since from my university days and now understand things I did not before. I have put these matters as best I can on my website. These include matters Covid 19 related with a summary which explains what is going on.
      My response:
      • Important is for you to realise that God’s word says that we all see in part. As I see it, I believe that you are seeing “imperfectly” on this topic and are being a danger to others.
      In closing, I recently warned a close friend who chose not to vaccinate, and now his family is living without a husband, father, and grandfather. If he had been vaccinated, he would not have died of the coronavirus and would have continued being a blessing to them and of benefit to God’s kingdom.

      Blessings,

      Rob Morley

  2. Agree absolutely! O the pain and confusion and unnecessary loss of life caused by the theories of men, even many Christians! I have seen it even here in my city, even among church leaders.

  3. Tina and Rob, We are all entitled to our opinions. It seems to me there is so much “unknown” about this pandemic. We know so much less than what we think. Much will be revealed in the future. It seems to me that it is so much more honest especially for believers to include in our opinions “I could be wrong and there are things I simply don’t know.” As for the opinion I just expressed, “I could be wrong and there are things I simply don’t know” therefore I am willing and open to look at all sides now and in the future”.

    1. Hi Denise,
      Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Let me respond by saying that I am sure you will agree that with most things in life, when making an informed decision, there is a point when the value of what is “known” far outweighs the “unknown,” no matter how “much unknown” there might be. What we do know about the coronavirus pandemic is that scientific communities from all over the world, of different faiths and political persuasions, have arrived at the same conclusion. Why should we, who know far less than all of them, second guess their outcome?
      But suppose someone is skeptical, for whatever reason, as Thomas was of the disciples’ claim that Jesus had risen. Shouldn’t proof that the vaccines are saving lives be enough to persuade? After all, the clear evidence is that unvaccinated people are dying in alarmingly far higher numbers, not to mention that they are much more likely to spread the virus. The vaccine is working! The idea that we are still in the dark about what to do because of “so much unknown” is a false narrative that is causing people to doubt, delay, infect others, and die. Doubt about the scientists’ claims is one thing, but doubting months of overwhelming evidence is unreasonable, far more foolish, and dangerous.

      1. Tina and Rob, it seems you and I approach information differently and that’s ok. It seems that you feel strong about the “rightness “of the conclusions you have drawn . You are entitled to feel and think what you want. If I am strong about my convictions and even have “statistics “ and expert opinions to back it up I could still be wrong . I think awareness and admission of that is being honest and opens more doors for respectful exchange of ideas and disagreements . When I make informed decisions I feel it is important for me to be careful about drawing conclusions. I am OK with making decisions with some uncertainty. I recognize that some people are not OK with uncertainty. It seems that you are blaming unvaccinated persons for their own fate and the spread of this virus. If I am correct , I have concern about that particularly when it comes to other believers who I know have researched both sides, have statistics and data that contradict everything you have stated and have a religious objection to be vaccinated. Is that between them and God? Should they be judged “guilty” “condemned” because they came to a different conclusion than you? Our government is already judging them and discriminating against them why should we as fellow believers? My main point is that I would like to see in the Christian community an environment that welcomes exchanges of ideas, encouragement of critical thinking and freedom to disagree without condemnation and honesty about our limitations in understanding things in this complex and ambiguous world. Denise

      2. Hi Denise,
        I appreciate the sentiment with which you are attempting to approach this. However, this is a life and death issue where people are needlessly dying because they are believing lies, conspiracies, misinformation, and disinformation (which is a trait that Christians are especially prone to). What we have is a combination of deception by those spreading mistruths, along with pride, gullibility, ignorance, and stubbornness that has infected God’s people so that they cannot hear. God warns, “my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge” Hosea 4:6.
        I write because I care for people to know the truth. The vaccines are working! I write to warn people of the lies.
        “But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet to warn the people and the sword comes and takes someone’s life, that person’s life will be taken because of their sin, but I will hold the watchman accountable for their blood” Ezek. 33:6.
        Rob

  4. Dear Rob

    My counter point:
    • Evolutionary and viral theories they are, not facts. I must assume you do not believe that God, the angels, formed the earth and the heavens in 6 days, or revolutions of the earth, or at least you are undecided. Perhaps you could confirm.

    Vaccinated are suffering numerous side effects and deaths. Unvaccinated will die for all sorts of reasons and not just because of Covid 19, a.k.a. the ‘flu since rebranding last year.

    You have referred to one periodical, Business Standard. You provide no link. Why? I cannot find it on an internet search.

    On the other hand I have found this.

    https://stateofthenation.co/?p=75316

    And this

    https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/7/20/22584134/whats-going-on-in-israels-outbreak-among-vaccinated-people

    You have ignored the point that God created the world and Adam and Eve complete at the start of the world. Our immunity is only limited by the corruption of Satan who corrupted our genes. Genes are the writing of God which makes up human nature and defines the structure of our bodies.

    Our bodies were designed to take in food, water and air, but not poisons. The immune system can handle poisons, indeed we produce poison in the form of urea as a by-product of metabolism which we must excrete.

    Good food is essential, we must have uncorrupted food but our food has been degraded by the various poisons, particularly from the agro-chemical industry. There have been numerous books and articles written about this.

    Vaccines are merely poisons if they are anything other than saline, a placebo. History is proof of that. It is littered with the mistakes of those who have promoted such a foolish idea.

    My counter point:
    • It is obvious that God intended us to use what he gave us, the initial simple guidance/commands were laid out at the start of Genesis.

    However, accepting a lift/rescue from a boat or helicopter is one thing, having something injected into your body which is new and where the ingredients are not listed on the vial is another.

    Smallpox is a toxicosis of the body causing varying effects on individuals. It is not manifested in the same way for each individual because each individual varies in what they eat and their genetic make-up. It is not transmissible, because it is a chemical poisoning.

    Polio is rickets, a vitamin D deficiency. If you have taken the trouble to read my page on vaccines you will see what I mean. Rickets was rebranded by those with a vested interest in ‘selling’ pointless vaccines. These were not God given but a lie of Satan.

    My counter point:
    • This is false for reasons I gave earlier.

    My counter point:
    • Separation is a bible principle in certain contexts, but why are you applying it to the ‘flu? We have been lead to believe that ‘coughs and sneezes spread diseases’. They do not, they merely appear to. They invariably come during the late winter months when people’s immune systems are generally low. The main problem is lack of vitamin D when sunshine levels are low in the winter months.

    In the western world, an indoor life and work environment has taken its toll on vitamin D.
    I have explained this on my website, please go and check.

    I met a gentleman in his 70’s who had been at boarding school in Sussex in the 1957/58 ‘flu outbreak. He said he and his brother looked after the many boys who had gone down with the ‘flu. He told me he and his brother were fine despite the close contact.

    As regards such diseases as leprosy, this is a long term bacterial disease and not in the same league as a chemical virus, a poison, which we call the ‘flu.

    Jesus moved among and touched sick people; he was not affected by their diseases. He did not separate himself, he was not anti-social as he was moved by compassion.

    My counter point:
    • I have explained what the Covid 19 is on my website. The implementation of mask wearing has not proven anything. Lots of people have not worn masks without harm to themselves or others.

    Only the fearful or foolish wear cloth masks when they don’t need to against a chemical poison. They do keep out particles such as from diesel fumes which can be harmful, but that is all. Otherwise they can cause rashes and discomfort. They restrict breathing to an extent; some people feel claustrophobic in them.

    It is written ‘what you fear will come upon you’. If you are afraid of something your immune system may seize up and you stop acting sensibly. This is part of the current problem.

    You say ‘most governments’. The advice has always been contradictory and there is no consensus, and never has been. There is no ‘science’, no common knowledge in this matter, to think otherwise is to elevate ‘science’ into a god as you have done.

    My counter point:
    • Your comment ‘Side effects are true of almost all medications’ says it all. The bulk of pharmaceutical medicines are poisonous, generally neuro-toxins. They create side effects which then are allegedly treated by another pill and so on. They make money for the pharmaceutical industry but that is all. The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.

    Cheap effective products do not make much money; we have poisonous drugs sold to us to keep the population ill so that more money can be made. An examination of history shows this to be the case.

    You assume that lives are saved with no basis in fact whatsoever. You have merely assumed because people have vaccines and over time last century peoples life spans have increased, that the two are related.

    Nowadays life expectancy is declining as has been for a few years. This link to CNBC gives an explanation why.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/09/us-life-expectancy-has-been-declining-heres-why.html

    Since Victorian times in Britain public health measures to clean up factories and deal with basic pollution problems have been the primary cause of better health and longevity. Also understanding of vitamins has enabled people to help themselves in understanding how the body works.

    There are only risks to be taken with what is an experimental vaccine anyway. This is like playing Russian roulette with your body; complete madness. Again I say you are ignoring the documented side effects. If you go online you will find many examples of people saying about side effects and deaths, not just from government data. You have not justified your comment from statistics as they are showing otherwise.

    I have explained about the issues from statistical perspective on my website. Again I suggest you go and check it out.

    My counter point:
    • I see you have removed my link to vaccines; you are obviously afraid of the truth, otherwise you would not have done so.

    You should at least have set out the opposing views but you have not troubled to do this in your article, have you? I have explained in some detail on my website what is going on with references and links to other information. I have used my 61 years’ experience on earth and a working life in defect analysis to follow the trail of evidence. What have you done in this regard, have you researched in depth and looked at both sides properly?

    I repeat, have a look at my site. I do use humour to lighten the mood and to make the points sometimes. Come back to me if you have any questions.

    Finally, you have said you warned a close friend, who was a grandfather who chose not to vaccinate. How old was he, did he have pre-existing conditions as the government statistics bear out in the UK and USA? It is the elderly predominately dying.

    You do not know that if he had taken the vaccine, this would not have killed him. Elderly people have been killed by it, this is documented.

    Your assumption that he would have lived had he taken the vaccine is a gross presumption and unjustified.

    Baldmichael Theresoluteprotector’sson

    1. Hi Michael,
      As you will see, I took the liberty to edit your reply and only post your counterpoints. It was a useful format for me, but I thought it too tedious for the readers to hear us again.
      I happen to believe in a 6-day creation by God. I am not sure what revolutions of the earth have to do with the topic.
      Here’s the link to the Business Standard article in my post, https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/unvaccinated-in-us%E2%80%88account-for-99-covid-19-deaths-says-anthony-fauci-121070500014_1.html
      Here’s another article, Unvaccinated people were 11 times more likely to die of covid-19, CDC report finds, at https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/09/10/moderna-most-effective-covid-vaccine-studies/
      This link you sent does not work: https://stateofthenation.co/?p=75316
      As for the article on this link, https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/7/20/22584134/whats-going-on-in-israels-outbreak-among-vaccinated-people, it explains that “The more vaccinated a population, the more we’ll hear of the vaccinated getting infected.” We already know that vaccination does not stop people from contracting the virus, it prevents serious illness and death.
      I never “ignored the point that God created the world and Adam and Eve complete at the start of the world.” I pointed out that there was a Fall subsequent to the Creation. I don’t see the Fall quite like you do, nevertheless, you appear to agree that our immunity is limited.
      I do not claim that medicine, including vaccines, has not, historically, been without problems. But, when the evidence is irrefutable that lives are being saved, we must take this seriously. Also, nothing is being injected into anyone without knowledge of what it is, or access to the knowledge.
      Your views on what Smallpox, Polio, and the coronavirus are, are not typical. As for the coronavirus, I would be more attentive to you if the life-death ratio stacked in your views favour. But it doesn’t.
      Not everybody is equally susceptible to being infected, or as badly infected by the coronavirus.
      You say that “Jesus moved among and touched sick people; he was not affected by their diseases. He did not separate himself, he was not anti-social as he was moved by compassion.”
      Yes, Jesus healed the blind and raised the dead too, but we don’t do that. We are limited in how we can show compassion. God demonstrated the full manifestation of His kingdom through Jesus. Having emptied Himself of equality with God, He was shown to be the Son of God by the miracles the Spirit did through Him. Similarly, God did signs through the Apostles which indicated Jesus had resurrected and that they had a message of authority. Since then, only occasionally have others tasted of the things to come. We are not Jesus and nor are we the Apostles. For more on this you might want to read my post, Your Healing Is Coming! , at https://realchurchlife.wordpress.com/2015/10/03/your-healing-is-coming/
      As for the research that has been done by experts, we don’t need to look too deeply to see when something is working or not. The vaccines are. The counter-narratives aren’t.
      As for my friend, he was in his early 70’s and with no real issues. Nevertheless, I don’t understand your argument. It is, precisely, because they are at high risk that the elderly and those with pre-existing conditions should get vaccinated.
      Finally, I don’t believe it is an assumption at all that my friend would have lived had he taken the vaccine. I believe that my conversation with him and his wife was a God-given appointment. They, however, were infected by doubt sown by others and were not open to hearing the truth. And, though they also argued that should he get sick he would be happy for God to take him, I know they did not weigh what that really meant.
      Rob

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